I am sorry my question is long, but if you read you will see what I am trying to say.
I am NOT bashing anyone. I believe the Native Americans are also founders of the land we now call America. However, they too believed in a Creator, a spiritual guide so to speak. They prayed to God all the time, and based their lives upon what they heard and saw, which they were told/shown by God. My family is Cherokee and Choctaw indian, and my grandma, grandpa, great grandpas %26amp; gradmas, have all told me that they believe in God as Christians do, they simply worship %26amp; honor Him differently. My great grandma "Ollie Broadfoot" traveled the Trail of Tears.
NO, I am not saying America was founded FOR God. I am saying the forefathers who founded it were Christians. They started America from a Christian prospective. They added God into everything they did.
The first to emigrate for religious reasons were Puritan Separatists (known to history as the "Pilgrims") who established Plymouth Colony in 1620.
During the reign of Elizabeth I certain English Puritan groups called Separatists, despairing of reform and unwilling to compromise, formed voluntary congregations. They broke with the Church of England, chose their own pastors by common consent, and lived as religious communities in accordance with their conception of the original church described in the Bible. They were savagely repressed by Elizabeth. Two laymen were hanged in 1583 for selling Separatist tracts; and three Separatists clerics were hanged in 1593. Severe pressure on these groups continued under her successor, James I (1603-1625), who had the Bible translated into the "Authorized King James Version", and swore that he would "harry the Puritans out of the land".
Seeking to escape persecution and the worldly excesses of English society, a small Separatist congregation from the area of Scrooby, England, fled to Holland in 1607. They lived first in Amsterdam and later moved to Leyden where they formed an English Congregational Church. After 13 years of exile in Holland, they decided to emigrate to America and returned to England in July 1620 to make final preparations for the voyage. They sailed from Plymouth on 6 September 1620 aboard the Mayflower with a company of 102 men, women and children to establish the Plymouth Colony. Two months later, on 11 November 1620, these Pilgrims disembarked on the shore of Cape Cod Bay. After prospecting the coast for the best place to settle permanently, they chose the site of the present city of Plymouth, Massachusetts.
Why is the US Gov. removing God from things more %26amp; more? [Details inside...]?
That is a common misconception. The majority of the founding fathers were not Christian. They did want to escape Religious persecution but the goal was for them to dictate what religion was practiced.
I suggest you do some further research to see the crimes and atrocities that have been committed in the name of Religion.
As for removing God from our country that is also a misconception. Our bill of rights grants us protection in practicing or not practicing any religion we choose. It also forbids setting up a national religion. Some religious kooks out there would make you think otherwise. On a side not have your read Revelations and the part of the false prophets - makes you wonder if these kooks are a false prophet.
Not being smart or nasty, I would suggest reading your bible, pray, follow your beliefs and let others follow theirs.
Reply:The Puritans and the Pilgrims were two different groups. As for getting God and Christianity out of public life it comes from many fronts.
%26gt;%26gt;There are those (minority) groups which equate "Christianity" with "slavery" , "colonialism", and "racism" and thus oppose it. (I am not saying this is fair or true, but that it is believed by some people.)
%26gt;%26gt;There are those irrational types that have just been raised to think religion is the root of all evil and never question this dogma.
%26gt;%26gt;There are atheists which are bitter and hatful towards a God which they claim they don't beleive exists, but I tend more and more to beleive that this group dose infact belevie in God and hates him anyway.(Many of these people become Christians later in life.) I see this type as a conflicted and aggressive.
%26gt;%26gt;There are the true atheists which think the government should reflect there world view, becuase (they claim) it is the only rational veiw. (It is not rational in itself, but only in light of the premises,which are unverifyable oppinions, they hold being true.
We can say this for any other religion or non-religion as well.)
Note: this group may vote but are not very vocal, which is consistent with a view which sees this life as all we have.
%26gt;%26gt;There are the Secular Humanists: These people are the problem they are a radical and very vocal minority group which if they had the power would set inquesitions. I would trust these people in power as much as I would trust another pope with secular hegomony. The danger in these lies in their dogmatic ideology wether marxist or anarchical or otherwise. The Nazi and the Soviets both held simalar anti-religion, anti-status que, power to the state kind of ideologys and so the secular humanists have the same kind of potental for fanatical anti-religiuios violence as the most radical of Muslims show on the flip side of te coin.
Some suggestions:These are my suggestions which come from my personal oppservations and I don't claim it to be anything less or more.
Reply:gods are not so important these days
Reply:I resent the trolls that start these kinds of questions, just to get a good fight from the religious / non-religious people. Sit back and watch the cat fight. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Reply:First of all The UnitedStates Government is not adding to or subtracting from YOUR right to worship whatever religion you choose. Any one who tells you different, ask them to PROVE to you what they are saying.
The CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA says that Government shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion. This means, it is not up to the government to demand that we believe in God. It is also not the right of Government to demand that we don't believe in God. In other words, believing in God has nothing to do with the United States or even a State Government.
In 1607 there was no United States. This was a colony of Britain, by an act of Parliament in Britain. Is that the country you want to emulate? If so, the shores to America are open for you to leave and emigrate to England anytime you want to.
Are you aware in Scotland the Catholics are still persecuted? Is that the country to which you want to owe your allegiance.
Why can't Americans keep their religion to themselves, and attend the Church/Tempe/Synagogue of their choice, and let me do the same. Why are Conservatives constantly shoving down my throat THEIR idea of what the Government is supposed to do about the word GOD.
Don't you have something more substantial to do with your life.
Reply:First off, the Framers of the U.S. Constitution were not all Christians. Many of them were Deists, agnostics, or atheists, along with many other religions. Regardless of why some of the original settlers of this country arrived here, the Constitution of the United States was designed to keep the government separate from the church. The point of this was essentially to ensure that everyone was free to worship the way they pleased, without fear that they would be persecuted by the government for their beliefs.
The Supreme Court has interpreted this to mean that the government cannot show an "endorsement" of any particular religion (this comes loosely from a test pushed by Sandra Day O'Connor). However, your interpretation that the "government" is removing God more and more isn't exactly accurate. In fact, the current administration is one of the most openly religious administrations in a long time, and the current Supreme Court is allowing more flexibility in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
However, the main thrust of the Establishment Clause is to keep the government from supporting any particular religion, and thus making those who do not practice that religion feel alienated in their own country. While I acknowledge that many religions worship and acknowledge one "Creator," there are also many religions that worship many gods, and many other individuals who worship no gods. In addition, if the government were to support a "Christian" view of creation and religion, regardless of that view having the single creator approach in common with many other religions, it would still be a much different viewpoint from non-Christian religions. Christianity professes, among other things, that you must accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior to gain admission into Heaven. This is markedly different from non-Christian religions, although these other religions might worship one "Creator."
Thus, to sum it all up, the government is reluctant to officially endorse any religious viewpoint because our entire country is founded on ideals of equality and acceptance. This goes for religion, race, and gender, among other things. Sure, it might have taken a while for the country to embrace some of these ideals, but they are still the ideals upon which our country was founded.
Reply:diversity is supposed to be the foundation of America . yea right.
Reply:I am a direct descendant of some of those Pilgrims who came on the Mayflower, and many other Puritans who came ca 1630. I have done extensive genealogical research on this period of American history, including reading court records of the time. You may be surprised to know that Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay colonies did not believe in religious tolerance. Everyone had to attend their Puritan churches, especially in the 1600s. The state was required to supply the church with land free and people were taxed to pay the minister's salary. Dissenters, such as Roger Williams, were expelled from the colony--into what was considered wild territory and a possible death sentence. The Wampanoags and Pequots who lived nearby who wished to convert had to give up not only their religious faith but also their culture-they had to wear European clothing, live in houses, learn to be farmers.
It might greatly surprise you to know that some of the Pilgrims actually ran away from the colony and lived with the Native peoples. My direct ancestor, Gabriel Wheldon, is an example. He and his brother lived on Cape Cod in defiance of Plymouth Colony, which expelled them.
Now, to answer your question as to why the US Government is [supposedly] removing God from things more and more.
The first time the US government put the word God on anything official was when Treasury Secretary Salmon B. Chase added it to the currency during the Civil War-and he did it for political purposes, to show that the Union cause was just. The next time the government got involved with putting "God" into something was when the Pledge, written in the 1890s, was altered in the 1950s to add the words "under God". Again this was done for political purposes, to show the world that the US was a God-loving country, unlike the atheistic USSR.
Most of the controversy over removing "God" now revolves around the placement of the Ten Commandments in courthouses or court house grounds. This must be a regional thing, because in my 56 years of life, I don't recall ever seeing the Ten Commandments placed in any courthouse I've trekked to in the Midwest and Northeast--and as a genealogist, one tends to haunt courthouses. I do not recall ever having prayers said or led publicly in school either, and frankly I would be uncomfortable if it were done. The reason these things aren't done is because, unlike the phrases "In God We Trust" on the currency or "under God" in the pledge, the Ten Commandments and prayer would show preference for a particular set of beliefs-Judeo-Christian in the former, and whatever faith of the leader of prayers in the latter. The First Amendment forbids the establishment of religion by the government. Doing these things would establish a religion. I believe the reason these causes are hyped up now are political ones. Don't worry if the word of God is in the courthouse--worry about if the judges in the courthouse and in Washington are showing they are following God's word by their actions.
Reply:dude the game is on in 3 hours.. shorten up the question
Reply:TO THE ONE WHO ANSWERED AS NUMBER 4
Will you look at the vast amount of crimes that have been comitted in the name of Evolution....
Hitler, The 2 kids who killed there classmates, that kid who killed classmates then grandparents, and that is only to name a few. Some people take it upon themselves to decide who lives because they think that they are better and more developed.
And as for Christians we have stood by and been persecuted for thousands of years.... Yet not many of us complain. We are willing to die for our beliefs. And most of the wars have been started because they hated Christians..... Muslims are after us and most of the people on here..
There was a question on here the other day,..... Should we join together and ban religion.....
Another one.. Do you think we could rid the world of religion by 2010? come on we're taking the beating here.
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