Why do some desperately cling to the canard that "The USA is a secular nation"?

Christopher Columbus' name meant "Christ Bearer". He named his first landfall: San Salvador (Holy Savior)



From the beginning, Christians in Europe viewed the New World as a place for religious freedom and a haven and an opportunity to spread the Gospel. Their earliest legal documents reflect their commitment to Christ and their mission. In 1620, the Pilgrims established the Mayflower Compact before they landed at Plymouth Rock



In the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, often called the first American Constitution, written in 1638, the drafters said, "[We] enter into a combination and confederation together to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, which we now profess."



The Declaration of Independence acknowledges that mankind is created and that the Creator God bestows the rights of men.



I could go on and on all day. The point is, it's high time that we put an end to all of this divicive "secular" nonsense....once and for all

Why do some desperately cling to the canard that "The USA is a secular nation"?
Instead of looking at revisionist history, look at what the founding fathers actually said:



"I therefore beg leave to move, that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of the City be requested to officiate in that service."

-- Benjamin Franklin



"I have sometimes thought there could not be a stronger testimony in favor of religion or against temporal enjoyments, even the most rational and manly, than for men who occupy the most honorable and gainful departments and [who] are rising in reputation and wealth, publicly to declare their unsatisfactoriness by becoming fervent advocates in the cause of Christ; and I wish you may give in your evidence in this way."

--James Madison



"Schools and the means of education" (in new territories) "must encourage the religion, morality, and knowledge" [that was] "necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind."

--George Washington



"Religious service is usually performed on Sundays at the Treasury office and at the Capitol. I went both forenoon and afternoon to the Treasury."

--John Quincy Adams



"...can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have lost the only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

--Thomas Jefferson



CONGRESS of the US May, 1854 (resolution PASSED in the house.)

The great and vital and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and divine truths of the gospel of Jesus Christ.



But most importantly a statement from John Jay, the First Supreme Court Chief Justice, and framer of the Constitution:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest, of our CHRISTIAN NATION to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
Reply:So what about all the other people who believe in different religions, or who are not religious at all?
Reply:Columbus was a sadistic bastard, look him up before you go bragging about what his name meant. You'll be blushing in shame when you find out what he did.



Most of the founding fathers didn't have a religion, and they wrote "separation of church and state" into the founding documents of this country. Argue all you want about who founded what, that is the legal document of our country and that is what it says. If you don't like it, go buy yourself a time machine and change it.
Reply:I see you fail to mention the Constitution, which is the Law of the land and keeps you theocrats from the totalitarian power you so disgustingly crave. The founders set up barriers to nut-bars such as yourself.
Reply:the united states government was founded on tolerance



though it sometimes involves itself in other matters, the government was intended to protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens...and nothing more
Reply:It is a secular nation founded by Christians, populated by Christians, and run by Christians, who made it secular in order to prevent any particular denomination gaining dominance over others. They did not want state-mandated religious persecution, denominational favoritism, or, Heaven forbid, government intervention in church affairs.



A secular government is a shield not only to the government, but to religion as well...
Reply:The constitution is the law of the land, and it is secular. It doesn't matter if the founding fathers were christian or deists, they founded a secular country.



A quote from a political leader and his stating he is Christian doesn't change the fact that America was founded as a secular nation. Quotes are not laws. Point out where in the Constitution it says we are a Christian nation.
Reply:“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness—these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. . . . reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.”

– George Washington





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“God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”

–Thomas Jefferson





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“[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure, than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty.”

– John Adams





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“...The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that ‘except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.’ ”

– Benjamin Franklin





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“Were my soul trembling on the wing of eternity, were this hand freezing to death, were my voice choking with the last struggle, I would still, with the last gasp of that voice, implore you to remember the truth: God has given America to be free.”

– Patrick Henry





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“And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.”

– Abraham Lincoln





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“Let us look forward to the time when we can take the flag of our country and nail it below the Cross, and there let it wave as it waved in the olden times, and let us gather around it and inscribed for our motto: ‘Liberty and Union, one and inseparable, now and forever,’ and exclaim, ‘Christ first, our country next!’ ”

– Andrew Johnson





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“We cannot read the history of our rise and development as a nation, without reckoning with the place the Bible has occupied in shaping the advances of the Republic. Where we have been the truest and most consistent in obeying its precepts, we have attained the greatest measure of contentment and prosperity.”

– Franklin Roosevelt





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“Without God, there is no virtue, because there’s no prompting of the conscience. Without God, we’re mired in the material, that flat world that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure. If we ever forget that we’re one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.”

– Ronald Reagan
Reply:Because many of the first European settlers of the North American continent were religious fanatics, they often persecuted other religious fanatics in what is now the Untied States who did not share quite their same set of religious superstitions that they did.



The founding fathers, knowing this, decided that the federal government should be religiously neutral and established in the Bill of Rights that there should not be an established church in the United States.



This did not stop Christians from enacting laws based on their own moral superstitions. Since I am gay, the laws that have affected me the most are the ones against sodomy.



Fortunately, more and more Americans are getting sick of this religious domination of our society and are actively fighting it. They say we are fighting their constitutional rights to freely practice religion when we insist that they do not have the legal or moral right to be racists or bigots.



Our best weapon is ridiculing religious stupidity. One great way of doing so is in films like "Dogma."



Harleigh Kyson Jr.
Reply:I'm not even American and I can see the lies in your words. You're a deceiver. You have a forked tongue.
Reply:Fundamental ignorance.
Reply:we don't have an established reigon even though most Americans are Christians.
Reply:The USA is a secular country in that we have no state-sanctioned religion - the state is religiously neutral.



Saying that the USA is a secular country in that sense does not mean that religious traditions were not important to the people who founded this country.
Reply:I notice you, conveniently, avoided the foundational document of the U.S.A, the Constitution. How many references to "god" or "creator" are in that mere "piece of paper"? Hmmm?



Enough, already, with the selective cognizance.
Reply:... you do realize Columbus landed in the Carribean, right? And not in present-day America? And I'm sure that you wouldn't be using the same "logic" if the person who discovered North America was named John "Satan-lover" Smith.



Also, the Treaty of Tripoli clearly refutes any delusion that America was founded upon Christianity.



Next!
Reply:Well, because they're right and you're wrong.
Reply:Has it not been proven not to be?
Reply:When we say that, we are referring to our government. We certainly DO have a secular government, and rightfully so.

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