What don't the communist liberals understand about the freedom of religion?

The Founding Fathers guarenteed us "Freedom of religion", not "Freedom from religion."





America was founded on Judeo- Christian values.





Prayer and attending religous services have both been a part of our cultural experience since the arrival of the Mayflower.





Religous expression is part of the American identity.





Why should the National Day of Pray be controversial? If you don't want to pray, you don't have to?





Isn't that the same logic the libs use regarding t.v. violence? If you don't want to watch it, then don't.





(Details above from the book, "The Savage Nation".)





Aren't you just so sick and tired of how the liberal secularists are trying to secularize America?





I'm not going to bend over to some foolish atheist. TOO BAD IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE! I DON'T CARE.


America was founded for the freedom of worship to the Judeo- Christian God.


We can't forget that.


And we can't let these secular progressives make us forget and abandon our religious roots since the bi

What don't the communist liberals understand about the freedom of religion?
The Constitution PREVENTS the Federal Government from ESTABLISHING an official National Religion.


What the Federal Government did was PROVIDE for Religious Freedom by not doing anything to interfere with it.


The GOAL of those Commy types is to INTERFERE as much as possible.


Communists understand that quite WELL!


They create specious arguments in an attempt to put false words in the mouths of our Founding Fathers to make it look like we are denied the right to practice religion.


They KNOW what they are doing .


They FEAR Religion. They are philosophical spawn of Satan who use deception to deny the existence of God.
Reply:Michael Savage has an untreatable mental disorder. To exercises our freedom of Religion, I think we should all pray for him. I know I do.
Reply:America was founded on Judeo- Christian values.





And the Judeo-Christian religion was founded from Pagan beliefs.
Reply:Well I think the whole First Amendment has been greatly misunderstood lately. The First Amendment protects Free Speech FROM GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. The First Amendment protects the Press FROM GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION. The First Amendment protects the right of the people to peaceably assemble FROM GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.


See a pattern?





The First Amendmetn is supposed to protect Religion FROM GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION.





For the poster who quoted Thomas Jefferson... why don't you read the entire letter he wrote, not just cherry pick quotes?
Reply:I don't know, ask them.





As to a national day of prayer, this may be why it cannot be passed into law.





"Amendment I





Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "





Nowhere in the Constitution is any reference to Christian values.


America was founded for the right to exist a a sovereign nation with the ability to self govern.





Savage is a Wiener.
Reply:So to be clear that's religious freedom for Christians and Jews only....
Reply:Passed by unanimous vote of the 1797 US Congress and signed into law by President John Adams:





“As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion”





http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplom...





There is not a single mention of God, Jesus, or Christianity anywhere in the US Constitution. The democratic republic created by the US Constitution was the first 100% secular government in history.





According to James Madison (“Father of the US Constitution”), even having a Congressional Chaplain is a violation of that document’s ’establishment’ language.





“Is the appointment of Chaplains to the two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom? In the strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the U. S. forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion. The law appointing Chaplains establishes a religious worship for the national representatives, to be performed by Ministers of religion, elected by a majority of them”








“The establishment of the chaplainship to Congs is a palpable violation of equal rights, as well as of Constitutional principles”





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Good call on the Article VI reference – and notice it demands that an Oath be taken to support the (secular) Constitution and not any religious document or dogma.





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“ISLAMOFASCISM” is an oxymoron, as everyone with any knowledge of political theory and history knows. It has always cracked me up that Michael Weiner (aka Savage) takes such pride in creating a meaningless and nonsensical word.





It reminds me of when my 6-year-old daughter thought she had invented the word ‘butt-head’. Unlike Savage, however, she was smart enough to know that it was a goof word – funny because it is ridiculous.
Reply:I'm still waiting for one of them to delineate in the Constitution where they allege it states 'separation of church and state'.





It's not my business or concern who worships in whatever belief system they practice it in, but when so-called 'liberals' attempt to restrict Judeo-Christian worship in America, then I care.





(I know about Jefferson's letter, but that ain't the Constitution)
Reply:theres also separation of church and state











I thought you Savage nationals were the first people to hate Islam and try to deport every Islamic person from America, am I wrong?


Why dont you guys do what you say then?
Reply:You constructionists. The words "freedom of religion" are not in the constitution. "Freedom of religion" is just a fantasy cooked up by "activist judges."
Reply:bush loves chinese commies.





thomas jefferson said the first amendment provides "a wall of separation between church and state."
Reply:Leftists hate all freedom. That pesky bill of rights is getting in the way of a socialist utopia. The USSA.
Reply:They probably don't understand the mandate to shove religion down someones throat. As a believer, I know it is wrong to attempt to force my religious views on others. As with all gifts, it is theirs to accept or reject.
Reply:If we Come across like a bunch of bully, we will lose many . please check out my 360 Blod.I think you will like what you see and read search all through it there are web sites proving genocide in America. my blog is open to the public. Saying this to the God above ,there will be many false Gods, that even the elite will be fooled.
Reply:The liberals are in favor of freedom of religion for all but Christians. Peace
Reply:I think you need to take another look at the US Constitution, with regard to religion. Separation of Church and State is supported by the US Constitution.


Article 6, U.S. Constitution:





"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."





I don't see how "no religious test" equates to the freedom to worship to only a Judeo-Christian God. Regarding the 'National Day of Pray'... your argument is that anyone who "doesn't want to, doesn't have to". OK, so by your very own reasoning... anyone who is against gay marriage doesn't have to be gay or marry, right? Anyone who's against abortion doesn't have to have one, right? If you want to use 'lib logic', then let's use 'lib logic'. We could even drop the 'lib' part and just say it's logic.





I have no problem with freedom of religion, I do have a problem with religion being used as a basis for legislating morality under the guise of 'family values' and faith-based initiatives. A few examples of 'family values' legislation and faith-based initiatives that circumvent the principles of separation of Church and State:


-- Marriage Protection Week, 2003


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/...


---- And there's the Money Train...


http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/...


http://www.religionandsocialpolicy.org/n...


---- Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Promotion of Marriage


"For months, administration officials have worked with conservative groups on the proposal..."


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/14/politi...


-- Abstinence Only, Bush's birth control of choice:


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/04/laur...


http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/world/...


http://www.plannedparenthood.org/


---- Condom Wars: New guidelines gut HIV prevention — and endanger young people’s lives


http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/condom...


---- Bush's "support" for birth control


http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art2...


http://www.afn.org/~iguana/archives/2005...





-- Within the past couple months, Rep. Mike Pence (R-Indiana) introduced an amendment to cut funding to Planned Parenthood because abortion counseling and client-paid abortions are included in the services they offer. It's already mandated that NO Federal Funds are to be used for abortion, but that wasn't 'far right enough' for him, so singled out Planned Parenthood to be denied Title X funds. For the agenda of a few, he was willing to deny millions of men, women and teens ALL Planned Parenthood services... family planning counseling (pregnancy prevention), pregnancy tests, birth control, gynecological care, STI/STD testing and treatment, blood pressure tests, etc. Fortunately, cooler heads (Dem and Rep) prevailed so the amendment failed.


http://youngrepublican.townhall.com/g/be...


http://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Reply:Worship what you want to.





But don't try and rule MY life on your religious tenets!!





The constitution says the 'State' has no power in making me follow any religious law!!!